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MyWed Updates: Pricing Packages

Hello Friends!
MyWed enables a new feature of specifying the price for a few hours of your work, instead of the only hourly rate. It is a more precise and fair approach, since a photographer's work may significantly vary depending on the number of hours ordered.For the Wedding category, you can select any three of the six options: 1, 2, 3, 6, 8, and 10 hours.Other categories include packages for 1, 2, 3 or 6 hours only.To apply the new system, click the "Specify your rates" button in your profile, and set prices for the packages on the pop-up. Don't forget to update prices for all active categories.We will fully implement the system, so we'll be grateful if you update your rates as soon as possible 🙏Thank you!

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But I have also 15-16 hour of full day coverage....
I thought MyWed's goal would be showing outstanding work of photographers not helping potential clients to compare and find the cheapest photographers in their region. A starting price makes sense but putting a price tag on packages without details like travel costs, photo albums, engagement sessions are problematic.And...There are plenty of great photographers from countries with significantly lower costs of living that charge a fraction of photographers from Western Europe, the US, Australia. So far, so good. But if a potential client browses through a list of photographers and sees immediately one that charges half or less than a local photographer, it's obvious what happens next.Maybe that's good for the client but I don't see any advantage for the community of photographers here, rather the opposite.Plus it's easy to cheat the system to appear cheaper – but that's no competition anyone should want.
I suppose that hotel owners have invested a lot of passion and money into building their hotels and their interiors. They probably wouldn't want to be chosen by price either :)
yeah but a hotel stays where it is and charges accordingly, a photographer can travel. Which is great but disrupts the price calculation of local photographers. The hourly rate is a great indicator for couples but being "forced" to show package prices without the option to say what exactly is included and what not doesn't make sense, rather the opposite.
It's cool when you can invite a much cooler photographer to your wedding for the same price. Isn't it? :) I would love that option. It seems fair.
yes. and no. Meeting this supposedly much cooler photographer in person beforehand? Impossible. Communication during the day? Difficult. During the wedding depending on the language skills of him/her and the wedding crowd. Local knowledge? Limited, if existent at all.I'm no hypocrite, I travel myself quite a lot for weddings and enjoy it – but I don't compete with cheaper prices than the locals, that isn't fair, especially if you live in a country where your costs of living are way lower – see Malin Ovesson's post below, she's in Switzerland and HAS to charge more than a colleague from Romania.
Mike, first of all, everything you are talking about concerns about 0.5% of orders. Or even less. And secondly, beautiful words about eternal values ​​and taxes are just words. I can name you from memory several photographers who will take photos anywhere on the planet that are 2 times better (objectively) and at half the price of local photographers. Even without a preliminary meeting. So let the "hidden hand of commerce" decide :) And brides, of course. All people are equal and let only their qualities as a photographer be important.
Yes, and thirdly, I don't quite understand what you're suggesting? Hide the prices completely? :) So that the bride would simply call the photographers one by one and find out the prices from them personally? :) This seems absurd in 2024.
my last attempt to make it clear: MyWed showcases work of different photographers from all over the world. Great! Potential clients can look for available photographers in a specific region. Great! They see pictures, a short description and a starting price: Great! They see – on the first glance – a photographer that charges for 8 hours 500 € and one for 3.500 €: Not so great, as it's tempting to contact the cheaper one first (and only). Is that your intention? "Helping" the poor, taking from the greedy rich? ;-)I don't deal with bargain hunters and charge above average in my city but I want potential clients to first get an idea of me and my creative work and then consider it's value, not look at price tags first. I agree with you (unlike many others) that it's absurd if photographers hide their prices completely and clients have to beg to get an idea but especially if you are in the higher price range you don't want to be defined first by your costs. Which unavoidably happens if it's the first thing a client sees. So again, a starting price or an hourly rate is a good idea inmo. Undefined package prices are not – as the client doesn't know what might be included or not. Imagine I include normally an album with a value of +800 € – shall I deduct it here to appear cheaper and then explain a client afterwards why it costs extra?
"...So again, a starting price or an hourly rate is a good idea inmo. Undefined package prices are not – as the client doesn't know what might be included or not..."But the hourly rate also does not indicate what is included. Therefore, I sincerely do not understand what is the fundamental difference between the hourly rate and the packages. The packages simply show a more accurate hourly price, since it is obvious that a 1 hour shoot cannot cost the same hourly cost as a 10 hour shoot."...I don't deal with bargain hunters and charge above average in my city but I want potential clients to first get an idea of me and my creative work and then consider it's value, not look at price tags first..."So this can only be achieved by completely hiding the prices (which is absurd). Because both the hourly rate and the packages are absolutely identical in this context.
Sergey, I don't know if you really don't get it or don't want to get it (no offense!) – couples ask me in 2024 if editing is included, if yes if all or only for a limited number of photos, if they get digital files or only prints and many more questions like this which could (heavily) affect the price. For me, this is absurd, but there are still plenty photographers that work with entirely different price models and that's fine but I WANT TO EDUCATE MY CLIENTS. If they believe they know already all the answers after a first glance as photographer A and B have nice pictures but photographer A is cheaper, photographer B misses out on the possibility. To show a price range, a starting price or an hourly price makes perfect sense, comparing international photographers by their packages does not as travel fees and extras can totally change the initial price. In my opinion, I'm just trying to tell you the problems this creates and in the end mislead the potential client.In addition, I offer a real full day wedding reportage with an unlimited amount of hours, an engagement session beforehand and an album included – which makes sense for quite a lot of couples.
"...couples ask me in 2024 if editing is included, if yes if all or only for a limited number of photos, if they get digital files or only prints and many more questions like this..."I understand exactly what you are talking about and this is the problem we are solving. This is exactly what I am trying to tell you. That the world is very diverse and the problem of comparison can only be solved by decomposing the task. Dividing it into its component parts. Separately the shooting, separately the books and transportation costs. You will never be able to compare two photographers by price if one photographer's package includes only the shooting, and the other one includes a Lamborghini Urus as a gift :)
well... I think we can agree to disagree. :) You aren't "solving a problem", you are creating one. Look, either a starting/hourly price (like before) or a FULL list of all the potential cost's breakdown makes sense (which is next to impossible), everything in between gives the clients the wrong impression they can compare prices which in reality they are not as they have no idea what is included and what not in the packages.If you are convinced that your new idea is great, than pleeeease at least fix the misleading "specify the price for the ENTIRE package" text and make clear that the package price only includes the hours of photography.Have a nice day,!
"...fix the misleading "specify the price for the ENTIRE package" text..."This text only says that this is the price for the ENTIRE package, not for ONE hour. So that there are no mistakes.
"...I include normally an album with a value of +800 € – shall I deduct it here to appear cheaper and then explain a client afterwards why it costs extra?..."Yes, of course. All additional expenses are additional expenses (photo books, transportation, etc.). There is no point in including such services in the package, since all photographers have different packages with different bonuses included in them. Even a photo book can be different. It can cost 100 dollars, or 1000.
better to let the photographers (your client) to decide to show or not, you don't have to force us into your own way of working. The new system is still way too rigid in showing/not showing prices and offerings compared to other similar sites.
I thought it was just me, but I see it happening with all the comments. Zero space to ACTUALLY listen to the community. Zero flexibility. Even disrespect with the responses. It's really unbelievable. So sad @mywed
there's this looong German word "verschlimmbessern" – it means while trying to improve sth to make it actually worse. I think it applies here. No doubt the intention is good – but it simply doesn't work that way. I want clients to book me for my pictures, not my price.
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Hi! This is a great change! But it would be epic if it would be possible to add what is included as well so that clients can properly compare. :) All my packages are including elopement planning as well so it doesn't compare to another photographer that only includes photos. Plus I charge more than your upper limit 😏
We need to add more VALUE to our work! And generally the industry should not promote photographers to be the cheapest. 🙏🙏 (ok, I live in Switzerland so we have the highest living costs in the world. But still please include us. 🥴​
The thing is that if each photographer includes a different set of services in the packages (elopement, second photographer or photo book), then such packages will be even more impossible to compare :) Because two packages for 3000 euros can have a completely different set of services. Therefore, we are forcing the idea that the package should only include what can be compared directly: the photographer's time. All additional services, such as transport, food and a personal massage therapist in your rider (lol) should simply be an add-on cost."...Plus I charge more than your upper limit 😏..."OMG... Can I hope to become your assistant? :) It seems that our entire team of programmers earns less :)))
haha, we can discuss. :)
Perhaps it's not clear to the clients who sees it what's the idea behind the price. If I put "just my time" price I will get all the requests that will just waste my time and at the same time it will down-grade the value of the whole business to make other photographers lower their prices more and then we are in that downward spiral where we really don't want to be. We want photographers to be able to live a good life too right? It's important that the whole business stands up for this imo. Value above price!
Amen number two to that. 🙂 Add value to your work, educate the client, underpromise, overdeliver. Hard to do if the (misleading) numbers are on the table already.
On the contrary! Actually, this is how everything works in the world. In advertising, you are shown the minimum cost of a car. And you can actually buy it for this price. But when you come to the car dealership, you are offered options that can double the cost of the car.Another thing is if the product is not competitive without these bonuses. Then interest-free installments, free winter tires and interior air fresheners really come into play :)But we are not such photographers, are we? :))
Hi team MyWed, in my part of the world is a wedding coverage usually around 16-17 hours of photography. Can this be included also?
Wow... Weddings are so long in Belgium? We'll think about it...
15-16 hour wedding coverage is really common in Slovakia too. It'd be awesome if the team could add this option!
This is not a big problem, since the filter in the photographers' catalog works on the PRICE PER HOUR. That is, the bride will still find you :) But we will think about additional package options. Photographers from India are already writing to us that the 48-hour package (2 days of the wedding) is popular there 🙈
:-) You guys will work it out! Have a nice day!
Thanks for the response, Sergey! I can imagine you have a lot on your shoulders trying to accommodate everyone's needs 🙏While the price per hour filter is helpful, I find it a bit confusing since many photographers have different rates per hour across their packages to make the bigger ones more appealing. For example, if a photographer's rates range from 170€/h to 100€/h across packages and a bride is looking for someone charging 120€/h or more, would she still find that photographer? Most of the packages fall within her range, but one falls below the range. When I tested it with these numbers for my town, it seems like she wouldn't find the photographer because the condition "min. 120€/h" isn't met overall (only in the majority of the packages). However, she does find the photographer with the filter "max. 100€/h" despite the fact that the condition is not met overall (and not even in the majority of the packages). Or did I misunderstand how it works completely? I'm sorry, I'm so confused 🙈"
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This is a very reasonable objection, but we have already thought about it. In the second stage, we will rework the filter so that brides can specify the number of hours they need and the budget. And we will sort photographers by the total cost of the order, not by the cost of one hour. The cost of an intermediate number of hours (for example, if the bride is looking for a photographer for 8 hours, and you only have packages for 6 and 10 hours) will be approximated based on the packages you have, to show the bride an approximate costThis update, I believe, will be in August-September. For this, we only need a sufficient number of photographers to add price packages"...For example, if a photographer's rates range from 170€/h to 100€/h across packages and a bride is looking for someone charging 120€/h or more, would she still find that photographer?..."Yes, she will find this photographer, since we take into account the minimum cost per hour among all packages. But after the update I mentioned above, the number of hours that the bride specified in the filter will also be taken into account. Thus, photographers will be sorted more accurately.
It's less bad than the previous version but still not good. We need much more flexible way of informing what we offer and the costs around it, and it should be voluntary if to include it. My clients pay tax inside EU but not outside, but that cannot be differentiated here. I include albums in my collections but that cannot be described either, so clients will compare apples with oranges without knowing it. For you, albums may be some optional thing, but for other photographers it may always be included. Furthermore, I have many different coverage hours with different prices, compared to what you showed. More flexible systems has been provided by other similar MyWed services, so it can and has been done already. Thus, let us have the option of describing different prices for various services and products without the huge limitations of radio buttons. Also, please don't force your clients (us photographers) to mandatory input faulty prices into this limited system. It should be up to each subscriber/photographer regardless if you think you personally want to work differently. Thanks.
well said. I actually preferred the previous version, this one is really bad.
This is absolutely the same system, as it operates on the hourly rate. Only more precisely. Because an order for 1 hour and for 10 hours usually have a very different hourly rate. This is simply an upgrade of the previous version.
I have already answered these questions above. Including additional services in the package makes this absolutely meaningless, as it does not allow comparison. Look at this problem not in the context of one site (yours), but in the context of a listing site (MyWed), where there are tens of thousands of photographers."...More flexible systems has been provided by other similar MyWed services, so it can and has been done already..."As far as I know, such sites do not exist. If you mean Theknot and other similar services, then you have not understood the point. There, packages are listed only on the photographer's page and do not participate in filtering the catalog. Which makes them essentially useless for choosing and comparing. Only as a kind of rough guide."...It should be up to each subscriber/photographer regardless if you think you personally want to work differently. Thanks..."John, imagine booking.com without prices. That's just stupid. But by the way, we still keep photographers' accounts on the site who don't have prices (at all). And now there are two systems to choose from (hourly price and price packages). Although in fact these are two versions of the same system, since we operate with hourly price when filtering the catalog. It just works more accurately and correctly when adding packages. And it allows you to approximate prices for intermediate price packages.
Sergey, you can't be serious when comparing booking.com with MyWed. If I book a hotel room in say Rome, it will obviously cost more than a comparable room in an Albanian village. Photographers can travel and that's great but it's a big disadvantage for an Italian photographer if an Albanian photographer (that pays MyWed extra for being listed in a different region as well) "competes" with his package prices. Which he (or she) can already but an hourly rate doesn't suggest that it's a full package as you call it.And as I said before, me and many colleagues don't have a "car dealer mindset" as you put it, we give a all-inclusive package as we are convinced that it's great to include an album right away, no upselling needed.In addition, I simply don't see the advantage for you with this new system – paying extra for being listed in a popular city makes sense for you and the photographer but as long as you don't intend to charge a fee when couples contact or book a photographer, what's your motivation to push price comparison?Here's a German wedding photographer website similar to MyWed and they got it right showing the budget range and what the photographer might offers or not, no misleading price limbo dance here: www.hochzeitsfotograf.c…
"...Sergey, you can't be serious when comparing booking.com with MyWed. If I book a hotel room in say Rome, it will obviously cost more than a comparable room in an Albanian village..."Mike, you always talk about the situation with photographers from other countries. I have already answered this question of yours, I will repeat it again... This case (when a photographer from Romania comes to Germany and charges a lower fee) is a very small percentage of the total number of orders. So small that I do not understand why we should talk about it at all. And this case does not depend on the way the price is displayed. A photographer from Romania will be able to dump both in the case of an hourly price and in the case of price packages. Why even mention this case?"...In addition, I simply don't see the advantage for you with this new system – paying extra for being listed in a popular city makes sense for you and the photographer but as long as you don't intend to charge a fee when couples contact or book a photographer, what's your motivation to push price comparison?..."OK, Mike... You live in an extremely conservative region (Europe), where the introduction of new technologies is extremely slow. Not only technologies, but also the methods of interaction between the client and the service in general. For example, our friends who develop amoCRM were forced to deliberately slow down their service to 20 minutes/contact in London, since the British simply did not believe that they could be called 30 seconds after the request. And they thought it was some kind of scam. But the situation in Europe (and partly in the USA) does not mean that the situation is like this everywhere in the world. And it does not mean that it will not change in 5 years. In many countries where technologies and service are really developed, the client will not look through hundreds of photographers and find out the price from each one personally. He will simply leave the site after 1 minute. Therefore: yes, MyWed is, of course, not booking.com, but we strive to get closer to Booking.com in terms of service quality. Or rather, to similar services that we focus on. Because if you think that Booking, Amazon, PayPal and other dinosaurs are convenient and modern, then you are also mistaken. These are terribly inconvenient, slow and glitchy sites.Of course, our final goal we are striving for is the shortest and fastest way to order a photographer "by pressing one button". At least for small orders, such as "shooting a couple for 2 hours in Prague", for example. A person who came with a girl for a couple of days to Prague does not have time to look through hundreds of photographers, contact them and find out what is included in the price package. Do you understand?"...Here's a German wedding photographer website similar to MyWed and they got it right showing the budget range and what the photographer might offers or not, no misleading price limbo dance here: www.hochzeitsfotograf.c…I know this site of course and it is a very bad example. It is worse than anything. It is good in 1994, but not in 2024
need to rush soon but quick response: You just revealed a nightmare – your final goal, a one click solution for clients booking a photographer. Hey, we don't take passport photos!At the moment WE PHOTOGRAPHERS are your clients, if I'm not mistaken. And a one-click-solution might be convenient when you order food or a hotel room, but even for a small photo shoot personality is key when you don't work like a robot not caring who is in front of the camera – and for the couple who's behind it. And this goes for weddings but small couple shoots as well.I force my couples to have a video call or meet in person because it highly affects the pictures and I reject potential clients if we don't match. Not all possible improvements of efficiency are actually desirable.Regarding the website I posted as a comparison to MyWed: You understand better than me their overall technical flaws but their system of budget range and filters for photographers seems way smarter than yours, no offense. Last thing: I have around 40% international couples, so yes, it does affect me if cheaper photographers from "cheaper" countries shows up in my city with a cheaper package – it doesn't matter if they latter add 10.000 € travel fees, it's the first price that matters.It'd be a real pity if you transform a great community of international photographers and their pictures into a competition of who offers the cheapest package – as again, the client doesn't understands what a "package" actually includes – while an hourly rate can obviously mean only one thing.
"...You just revealed a nightmare – your final goal, a one click solution for clients booking a photographer. Hey, we don't take passport photos!..."You seem to read only half of the words I wrote. Communicating in this way is extremely tiring, sorry."...You understand better than me their overall technical flaws but their system of budget range and filters for photographers seems way smarter than yours, no offense..."Thanks, but I don't want to go back to 1994, I want to go to 2034"...I have around 40% international couples, so yes, it does affect me if cheaper photographers from "cheaper" countries shows up in my city with a cheaper package – it doesn't matter if they latter add 10.000 € travel fees, it's the first price that matters..."It's very easy to solve this problem – you just need to shoot better than these photographers. Using a gaussian blur and a mirror is no longer enough, that's obvious. Because a plane ticket costs 50 euros to anywhere in Europe. And another 100 euros for a hotel. Not 10,000 euros.
and you seem to reply to only 1/10 of my arguments. 🙂‍ However, I still thank you and love what you helped creating with MyWed, but in my opinion the German verb "verschlimmbessern" (making something worse while trying to improve it) perfectly fits on your described goals here. Either make the price system really detailed or leave it as it is.
Mike, I have wrote to you: "At least for small orders, such as "shooting a couple for 2 hours in Prague"You have wrote back to me: "And this goes for weddings but small couple shoots as well"OK, you as a photographer certainly have the right to spend time meeting with clients even for short photo shoots. But as a client, I don't want (and can't) have a face-to-face meeting or video call with a photographer for a 2-hour photo shoot in a country where I have flown in for a couple of days as a tourist.I believe that I as a client should have a choice. You as a photographer should certainly have a choice too: to agree to such short photo shoots at the "Press of a Button" or not. Why are you imposing your point of view on me or other photographers? We do not force you to work on the "one-button" system. Especially since these are only our plans for the future.
I don't know about others, but for me meeting with the couple has no impact on the outcome, and I have no desire to sell additional services at the meeting. The easier it is for a wedding couple to make a decision after seeing my cool photos, the better :)
So I think the site is moving in the right direction.
Cieszę się z tego rozwiązania. Miałam kilka nieporozumień z potencjalnymi klientami w związku z cena podana na stronie. Czułam się czasem jakbym nabierała klientów.
Z pewnością teraz jest to bardziej przejrzyste.
At the moment my rate says £200 per hour. However, this isn't strictly true. Because I charge a Start Price of £650 for the first 2 hours. Then £200 per hour after that. The reason being that every booking has underlying costs, as a simple example I have to travel to and from the wedding – that cost to me is the same whether it's 1 hour or 5 hours. So booking longer hours isn't a simple incremental amount. I really don't think a one price (hourly rate) tells the clients much at all. Clients shouldn't even be price shopping. Because human nature will simply pick the cheapest first, without any proper comparison of what you're actually getting – not just package wise, but more importantly "skill of the photographers" wise. It's the same reason we don't have a price on our website. I can guarantee pretty much every client out there could afford us, but if they see a price that's above what they were expecting – they will just run and look elsewhere. It's only weeks later they realise that their budget was too low and they up it. But by that stage, they've forgotten you.
hi Paul, I just saw your comment now (and succesfully forgot about MyWed's "update") but you as several others convincingly explained the problem, however our arguments are ignored or even mocked. However, say hi to Carol and have a great day!
Why is it only 1, 2, 3, 6, 8, and 10 hours options?
Obviously there could be many other variable! 4,5,7,etc...
It also should not be a requirement, as it excludes many other pricing formats.
This idea has potential, but it was not very well thought out at all.
Please reconsider this setup, as you will just alienate users.
To make it easier :) There are some hotels that rent rooms for 12 hours. But the standard period is 24 hours. Theoretically, there could be photographers whose package includes 6.5 hours. Or 3 hours and 45 minutes or 48 hours like in India :) Should we choose from 125 types of packages? Of course not. It makes no sense, since the system can extrapolate any missing options from the prices of neighboring packages.And yes, this is not a mandatory option.
Hi Sergey In some photographer I see that the price is sometimes for example 1385 euros but at me I can only go from 1300 to 1400? There is no intermediate figure; is this normal? Thank you
Most likely, this is due to currency conversion. Since on our website, a photographer can indicate a price in any currency and it will be converted to the currency that the client has set
Help! How can I delete the option for different prices? I was trying this new feature, but I really don't want it to appear like that, I just want it to be one value but now it forces me to put 3 prices... Can anyone help me? Thanks.
Hello Pablo,
Unfortunately, this is not possible. If you have a flat rate, then just use the same hourly rate in all packages
This is absolutely TERRIBLE. In my country it is not widely used (on the contrary, nobody does it and it is even dangerous to do so) to publicly display prices.On the other hand, I think it was an unfair practice not to warn that I would not be able to back out. I was just testing the new feature. Currently, for example, I am practically the only photographer in Buenos Aires who has the three prices published!!! Why can the rest do this and not me?I sincerely hope that you reconsider this function, otherwise I will unfortunately have to make a drastic decision regarding my profile here.
I don't quite understand how 3 price packages are more dangerous than one? And what is the danger?
The thing is that I wouldn't want to even have to publish a single price. I invite you to look around to see if you can find even one Argentinian photographer living here who has published their prices on their website or somewhere. Why do you think this is so?And I repeat, the worst thing of all is that you have not given any notice before making the change that I wouldn't be able to go back (until today the rest of the photographers can have only one price) and that it is mandatory. What is the problem with everyone being able to have the option? Don't you think it is better to adapt to each culture and how it works in each country?
"...The thing is that I wouldn't want to even have to publish a single price..."This is absolutely out of the question as it has no benefit for the site."...And I repeat, the worst thing of all is that you have not given any notice before making the change that I wouldn't be able to go back (until today the rest of the photographers can have only one price) and that it is mandatory..."The new system actually gives more flexibility. If you have a flat rate, you can simply specify the same hourly rate in all packages. In this case, it will not be different from the "one price" option.
"...I invite you to look around to see if you can find even one Argentinian photographer living here who has published their prices on their website ...." "...What is the problem with everyone being able to have the option? Don't you think it is better to adapt to each culture and how it works in each country?"
Maybe I didn't express my point clearly enough... I meant that the point of OUR site (MyWed) is that each photographer has a price. This is absolutely necessary for any aggregator.It would be quite strange if Booking.com did not show prices for hotels in Argentina. Of course, it is profitable for hotels not to show prices in order to use it for price discrimination, but it is not profitable for Booking.com and the entire industry as a whole over the long term. If this is not a clear enough example, then we can recall Uber in Turkey, where due to sabotage by drivers, it is simply impossible to order a taxi.Perhaps you want to live in the 20th century and waste your time uselessly, but I do not want to.
I'm facing the same issue as Pablo. I get that point with packages, but why we can't choose if we wanna display hourly rate or packages? It doesn't make any sense and it's frustrating. Could you please add the option to switch between hourly rate and packages?
Because the hourly rate is not accurate enough and does not correspond to the new functionality of the site that we plan to release in the future.And I still don't understand what's the problem with adding three packages, but with the same hourly rate? How is this different from an hourly rate?
What if I offer only one package? Or what should I do if I offer 10 hours minimum and don’t wanna do shorter weddings? Then I can offer 10 and 12 hours coverage, but how about the third package? Look, there are many photographers here with hourly rate and 10 hours minimum. So then they are forced to set the price off the package they usually don’t offer.
If I offer you to film me for 9 hours for the price of 10 hours, will you refuse?The world is very diverse. I have already written about this above and I see no point in repeating these examples again. It is impossible to create a system that would be ideal for everyone. Any system has its pros and cons. There will always be a person who needs an LPT port in a laptop.
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